I forgot to mention that I took the inside out with the Robert sorby Sovereign system and now I have had another play with it I would say it is as good as the Roly Munroe once you get the hang of how it cuts then the shavings come flying out of the vase and it took no time at all to hollow well pleased with its performance in some respects I think it is better than the Munro the bar locks into the handle mush better and safer for one and the handle is more comfortable to work with normally with a vase this size my arms and shoulders ache but they didn't today it was a real joy to use