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Midnight_Turner

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Evening all, so I've started worker my on my first segmented vase, the outside has turned really well as you can see from the pics, I went to hollow out the inside and I got stuck, obviously the roughing gouge won't work as I'm now at the wrong angle, please can someone point me in the right direction on the Axminster website of what tool I need to do the inside of a segmented vase please?

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Evening all, so I've started worker my on my first segmented vase, the outside has turned really well as you can see from the pics, I went to hollow out the inside and I got stuck, obviously the roughing gouge won't work as I'm now at the wrong angle, please can someone point me in the right direction on the Axminster website of what tool I need to do the inside of a segmented vase please?

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I would bore it with a forstner bit and then use something like a Sorby hollow master to work on shaping the inside. You wont be able to do much with a gouge
 

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Evening all, so I've started worker my on my first segmented vase, the outside has turned really well as you can see from the pics, I went to hollow out the inside and I got stuck, obviously the roughing gouge won't work as I'm now at the wrong angle, please can someone point me in the right direction on the Axminster website of what tool I need to do the inside of a segmented vase please?

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Hmm I don't know who taught you, but a roughing gouge is for the outside and as its name says its for roughly turning an object. It is never for inside (in fact if you use it incorrectly it will break and hit you in the face). Equally before you start on the inside you should finish the outside (except the chucking points which will be finished later) what you are showing is not finished.... until you get to that point then don't go further. To hollow it you don't necessarily need fancy hollowing tools a simple bowl gouge and narrow scraper will do. If you find that the depth begins to overcome the forces on the bowl gouge then make (or buy) a tool rest that will go into the hollow form so as to reduce those forces .

To finish the outside chucking point you should either design the mouth of the hollow form to take a chuck or you should manufacture a jam chuck so as to hold the hollow form straight and solidly so you can finish the foot(chucking point).

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Hmm I don't know who taught you, but a roughing gouge is for the outside and as its name says its for roughly turning an object. It is never for inside (in fact if you use it incorrectly it will break and hit you in the face). Equally before you start on the inside you should finish the outside (except the chucking points which will be finished later) what you are showing is not finished.... until you get to that point then don't go further. To hollow it you don't necessarily need fancy hollowing tools a simple bowl gouge and narrow scraper will do. If you find that the depth begins to overcome the forces on the bowl gouge then make (or buy) a tool rest that will go into the hollow form so as to reduce those forces .

To finish the outside chucking point you should either design the mouth of the hollow form to take a chuck or you should manufacture a jam chuck so as to hold the hollow form straight and solidly so you can finish the foot(chucking point).

PM me if you need more info

Hi Pierre,

First of all, no one taught me, I taught myself, I also never meant to imply that I used a roughing gouge for the inside bit, I'm really not that dumb, but apologies if it came across that way. I'll go and have a little play with the bowl gouge now and see how I get on, so thanks for that. Also, in terms of finishing the outside, I won't be doing any more cutting, so to me it's finished for now until I start the sanding. I don't see the point of going that far with the finishing on the outside when I've still got the inside to do which will create more dust and dirt and ruin the finish


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That looks great and hats off to you for doing a great job so far. As long as you can put it back on the lathe to sand once you've finished turning the inside then of course you can finish it then. My go to finish for things like this is oil so I usually do this off the lathe.

To turn the inside I would use a bowl gouge with a long grind, wings cut back, (the name of which escapes me). Once I had finished shaping the inside to roughly where I want it to be, I would then use a 3/4in or bigger round nose scraper with a negative rake to finish it off before sanding. You do need to be careful not to let the scraper catch so taking very light cuts is essential I have found. You could use a hollowing type tool if you have one but bowl gouge and scraper should suffice. The piece doesn't look that big so I wouldn't expect you to have too much problem with support of the tool as long as you hold it firmly. Hope that helps :thumbs:


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I would have not used the roughing gouge even for the outside because of the curves. I think there are many that think because you are roughing the outside to a piece that has curvesit is an idea tool but in my eyes it is not I use mine to turn spindle work to a cylinder with gentle curves once you get the tighter ones then either a spindle gouge or bowl gouge is ideal. As for the inside personally I would use a bowl gouge with a fingernail grind that way you will not need to buy any special tools well not yet.
 

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Fingernail grind was what I was trying to say. If you use a fingernail bowl gouge, if I were you I would start off with the tool on its side, the flute towards you and very gently use the lower cutting edge to take small pull cuts. Because of the likely uneven material on the inside to start with, there is a greater possibility of the tool catching


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