Chuck and jaws compatability

hawkeyefxr · Jan 29, 2017

I have a Record SC4 chuck, i am looking at jaw compatibility. I have seen Axminster do a set of jaws called wood plate jaws, where you mount four pieces of ply on the jaws. You them turn the ply to suit your bowl. Will these jaws fit the SC4.
I know there are button jaws but his just seemed better as there is more surface area grip.

Walter · Jan 29, 2017

hawkeyefxr said:
Will these jaws fit the SC4.

No. The Record chuck jaws are interchangeable with the Sorby Patriot chuck and with Nova chucks but not with any of the Axminster chucks.

You could however make something similar to the jaws in Colwin Way's video by using the Record Mini Re-mounting jaws by screwing the wooden plates through the mounting holes for the rubber buttons. You might need to countersink the back of the holes. You would also need to drill holes through the wooden jaws for access to the screws that attach the jaws to the carriers as , unlike the Axminster ones, the jaw carriers do not wind right out of the chuck.

hawkeyefxr · Jan 29, 2017

Sorry said that wrong, i didn't mean jaw compatibility as such. What i was asking is will Axminster's wood plate jaws fit the SC4 jaws.

I see you said Sorby Patriot chuck and with Nova chucks. I read that Axminster wood plate jaws will fit Sorby Patriot chuck and Nova chuck.
If i got a set of Nova jaws the wood plate jaws would then fit the SC4. :praying:

Think it maybe better just to get the remounting jaws

Walter · Jan 29, 2017

The answer is still no. Axminster jaws will not fit the SC4.

Buying nova jaws will not help either. The jaw plates need to be fitted to the jaw carriers not to another set of jaws.

Walter · Jan 29, 2017

Here is a photograph.

The chuck is an SC4 with one jaw removed, the item on the left is a carrier from an Axminster chuck, in the middle is a woodplate jaw and on the right is the jaw that has been removed from the SC4. As you can see the woodplate jaw has a groove in it that fits onto the ridge on the carrier whereas the SC4 jaw has a raised ridge that fits into a groove in the carrier. The alignment of the holes is also slightly different and the mounting screw hole sizes are 6mm on the SC4 and 5mm on the Axminster.

If you tried to attach the woodplate jaws to the SC4 the screws would not fit and even if you drilled out the holes to 6mm, not only would the holes still be slightly misligned but you would need to obtain longer screws and more importantly without the ridge on the back the jaw would not be held securely on the carrier relying only on the (misaligned) screws for alignment and to hold it in place.

hawkeyefxr · Jan 29, 2017

Thanks Walter, explained very well. I lived in hope lol. Wish i still had my Myford, oh well.

Will be the record reversing jaws then.

Penpal · Jan 29, 2017

With the proliferation in chucks, models, manufacturers ,shared or matching it is safer to stay with a system. Personally I find changing jaws a burden and tended to basic chuck bases and selected jaws. Same as adapters from one lathe and another lathe with a different thread. For many years I stuck with 1 inch ten threads on four laths, then the unthinkable but I should have guessed each country established their own common sized and threaded shafting (bummer).

Peter.

bigbob · Jan 30, 2017

Thank you Walter re your information about chucks and their compatibilities I recently purchased a Nova Comet II lathe so as it had reverse setting decided it was wise (had visions of my other chuck hurtling round the workshop) to buy the lathe as a kit with the Nova Chuck which locks with a grub screw. I did know that Record jaws fit the Nova as I bought a set of Record pen jaws but did not know that the Sorby Patriat jaws would fit which now gives me extra options. My old chuck is the little Record RC 2000 next time I am out in the workshop I will see if the jaws will fit on the Nova.

21William · Jan 30, 2017

You can do it the other way round. Axminster sell jaw carriers so you can fit Nova jaws onto an Axminster chuck if you buy the appropriate carriers.

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The Record button jaws are very good by the way and cheaper than the Axminster ones. They are made in PRC but very nice IMO.

I have an Axminster lathe with a 14" swing and an Axminster chuck. The only button jaws Axminster sold were either silly little ones or a 16" version which was too big. I bought a Record SC4 chuck in the end so I could use their 12" button jaws.

Winemaker · Jan 30, 2017

I had this problem of what Jaws fit my Bison chuck contacted Axminster this was there reply(I can confirm that our current range of jaws are made to the same configuration, so these should fit your Bison chuck.) S o it may be worth contacting your chuck suppliers. hope this helps

wm460 · Jan 31, 2017

Wish I could get Vicmarc to supernova jaws adaptors. :thinks:

Walter · Jan 31, 2017

21William said:
You can do it the other way round. Axminster sell jaw carriers so you can fit Nova jaws onto an Axminster chuck if you buy the appropriate carriers

That is a very good point William. Something they have only started to do quite recently. The Versachuck from The Toolpost is also available with carriers for a wide range of other manufacturers chucks.

Vic Perrin · Jan 31, 2017

Lazy Bugger Me. I hated changing the Jaws on chucks and got fed up of loosing the fixing screws due to my fat fumbling fingers. So over a period of time I brought second hand chucks suitable for all the jaws that I regularly use. Now I have 5 chucks all set up with different jaws and much easier to change the complete chuck assembly. It also gives you the opportunity to remove a a piece of work that is still chucked to do something else without having to worry about re centering the original work.

If you keep your eyes peeled on the various sale sites you can often bag a good chuck bargain. :thumbs:

hawkeyefxr · Jan 31, 2017

I will look into the jaw carriers, thank you.
I was contemplating making my own wood plate jaws, no real problem there. A friend has a machine centre and they are not rocket science. The steel is about £10.00 but post is £15.00, i know its a fair slab to send through the post. With everything maybe best to just buy the reversing jaws, after looking at the jaw carriers though.

What was easy peasy when at work is nigh on impossible when retired, oh well.

I have just realised something from Williams post, where you guys have been talking about jaws, i have been completely a cross purposes to you guys. For me the 'jaws' are in the chuck controlled by the scroll, as per engineers lathes, you have been talking about the 'jaws that bolt to the jaw carriers.........doh. What a plonk lol

21William · Jan 31, 2017

It can be very confusing. Some Wood chuck manufacturers call the chuck jaws "Jaw carriers". The wood "jaws" that bolt to them are normally called "accessory jaws".

Walter · Jan 31, 2017

Just to add to the confusion, the internal and external engineers type jaws for the Axminster woodturning chucks are in one piece, jaw and carrier combined. As indeed are the jaws of most, if not all, metalworking chucks hence Ken's confusion.

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Buckeye · Jan 31, 2017

Vic Perrin said:
Lazy Bugger Me. I hated changing the Jaws on chucks and got fed up of loosing the fixing screws due to my fat fumbling fingers. So over a period of time I brought second hand chucks suitable for all the jaws that I regularly use. Now I have 5 chucks all set up with different jaws and much easier to change the complete chuck assembly. It also gives you the opportunity to remove a a piece of work that is still chucked to do something else without having to worry about re centering the original work.

If you keep your eyes peeled on the various sale sites you can often bag a good chuck bargain.

I came to the same conclusion when I only had 1 chuck and needed to take off an unfinished piece and it was nigh on impossible to get it centred again a few weeks later, so I keep buying chucks when they are the right price.

Peter

hawkeyefxr · Jan 31, 2017

Buckeye said:
I came to the same conclusion when I only had 1 chuck and needed to take off an unfinished piece and it was nigh on impossible to get it centred again a few weeks later, so I keep buying chucks when they are the right price.

Peter

I like this idea though i have never seen a Cheap chuck for sale secondhand

Buckeye · Jan 31, 2017

hawkeyefxr said:
I like this idea though i have never seen a Cheap chuck for sale secondhand

I bought a patriot chuck just recently from Jim for about £50 so they are about, you just have to be quick.

Peter

Vic Perrin · Jan 31, 2017

Buckeye said:
I bought a patriot chuck just recently from Jim for about £50 so they are about, you just have to be quick.

Peter

So it was you I missed out to then Peter :sob:

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